Khorne, Tzeentch, Slaanesh, and Nurgle are in a constant never ending battle for supremacy in the universe. Who really reigns supreme?
“Who is most powerful Daemon God?” is a question that forces sides based on personal tastes. Pepsi or Coke. Apple or PC. Change, Blood, Party, or Pestilence. All options exist and aren’t going away anytime soon.
But what if I told you there may be more than the FOUR gods of Chaos you are thinking of, to choose from?
Because clearly this is the internet, I must have an opinion. My answer to “who is the most powerful of them all” is a part of a larger mystery I’ve become fixated on and the sections below contain possible proof I’ve found to convince you of my madness.
1. What is a Daemon God?
The four Daemon Gods (+ whatever emo Metal Elf God is), are all immeasurable creatures of divine will. Based on faith, blood, entropy, and space herpes, they’re manifested emotion and ideologies. If they are known and believed in, they will exist.
It’s a lot like clapping for Tinkerbell or dreaming of Freddy Krueger. Believing in them allows them to either dream murder you or whisk you away to a magical land of happiness…and pirates trying to feed you to crocodiles…
Looking into those examples, actually, gives us ideas on how to fight/defeat them. In Nightmare on Elm Street, the primary motif of how to deal with Freddy was to stop thinking about him and sequestering anyone aware of him away and putting them on a massive amounts of drugs. Because even if you murdered him, or sucked him into the real world to fight a disfigured summer camp hockey enthusiast, he will always come back.
Sometimes when you don’t want him to…
At one point Tinkerbell was dying because magic wasn’t believed in enough. If Peter Pan hadn’t gotten Wendy to clap, Tinkerbell would have vanished. No new lost boys would be taken from their homes under false pretenses to escape reality and eat paint food…Wait, are we sure Pan and Tinkerbell are protagonist?
Literally in Peter Pan 2…
Unfortunately, there is an ample supply of believers for-and-against daemon kind. The Gods aren’t actively trying whip out everything, just their enemies. And since the Daemon Gods like the idea of existing, they are all vying for more followers. In-fact, the only true way of ending Chaos Daemons is wiping out all sentient creatures in the galaxy!
Main take away from this: abstract concepts in 40k have a consciousness and a will, so believing in them as nouns gives them power. Hold on to that.
2. What’s Up with them Grey Knights and their Secret Moon Base?
While reading the new fluff in the new Grey Knight codex, I found out Titan has begun to shake from within. Reading that one fact is what started my current fixation.
Fun fact, Titan was given to the Grey Knight Founders complete with a spooky basement at the bottom of a place called Mount Anarch. Their whole facility was built on top of a huge seal and the Grey Knights, primarily Purifiers, are guarding “it”. I say “it” because fluff is heavily pointing to nobody, including them, knowing the full extent what’s in there. Except for maybe the one guy who built it, the Emperor himself.
That’s not to say they haven’t been adding to it over the years. There are numerous vaults beyond the gates that the purifiers guard. There have been mentions of Necron tesseract vaults in use in previous editions. Even part of a paladins’ rite of passage involves going into the vaults and having a tea party in something called the “Dread Tomb” then a battle of wills with a sleepless Daemon named Abbiallach.
Which is odd because the big bad that the Purifiers are keeping watch on is “slumbering”. So not that guy.
Not knowing… may be Victory!
I believe the real reason we don’t know the full extent of what’s in there: the Emperor knew the only way to contain “it” was by making sure as few people as possible knew. Additionally, stationing an army of well trained and well-armed Daemon Hunters as security is pretty telling of what that something may be. And I’m not talking about Freddy Kruger here.
No….. Focus people
Side note: there is only supposed to be 44 purifiers, no one has said why. Put a pin in that.
Also, there is magic box there that has the same symbol as the one that’s on the Emperor’s Throne. This is the “Terminus Decree”
. Only the Grey Knight have been entrusted with its use. Not even the Custodes canclaim that. ONLY the Grey Knights.
Cypher is a pretty cool dude. His mission is unknown, but his actions aren’t. He has been cutting a path through that galaxy in some very convoluted plan to get to the Emperor.
No one is sure if he’s trying to help or hurt the Imperium, or if he wants to kill or save the Emperor.
If I wanted, there’s a lot we can talk about this guy, but instead I want to focus on a few things of note.
First, he often goes by the pseudonym “The Voice of the Emperor”.
Second, he carries a large sword he’s never drawn. Some say its Luther’s sword, but they’re wrong as somebody else found it. Some say it’s a new Heavens-blade, Ala Dark Angel Sword of Silence or Sword of Secrets. Some say that it’s the Lion Sword.
The last one makes the most sense. The sword is covered in Dark Angel Icons and the new Cypher model has it being freaking HUGE. But here’s the thing, there is a point in the fluff where Guilliman breaks the original Lion Sword as Jonson was going to use it on Cruz because he refused to admit guilt. So, whatever Lion El’Jonson was using towards the end of the Horus Heresy was either something else or a re-forged Lion Sword. There is someone who knows what Cypher is packing though. In Rising Storm III, Guilliman is stated to know what it is and that he would never let it, or Cypher, near the Emperor. Past that nothing else has been revealed.
It is a Daemon God.
Right about now you must be thinking “You’re dumb. Titan would be a shitty prison for any of them because all of them are running around causing general mischief everywhere. What does that have to do with Cypher? And why did you spend a lot of time on Tinkerbell?”.
Are they all running around? Or did you, like the Emperor intended, forget about someone…
You forgot about Dre!
You might not recognize that picture, mostly because it’s an artifact of something retconned out of existence. The above is a greater daemon of the fifth Daemon God Malal
. Yes, that was a thing.
In a galaxy of never-ending war, strife, fear, and carnage, what Daemon God would be the strongest? When Malal existed, he was the God of Anarchy and terror. He was the embodiment of destruction, so much so that it was self-destructive.
I’m using a lot of past tenses here because Malal was removed from the fluff entirely. Trademarks rights wise, there’s a reason he was retconned. But think about it fluff wise……
The Emperor could allow the other gods to continue to squabble, because they all want to exist and they know they can’t exist without other existences. The Emperor also knew that, if left unchecked, Malal would destroy everything. A true end of all things. So, he had to do the one thing that has never been accomplished before nor since: caging a Daemon God. By deleting him from active history, he depowered Malal enough to cage him.
Additionally, he established the Grey Knights on top of Malal’s prison, Mount Anarch “Y”, to serve as guards. Super humans trained to resist the whispers of chaos. Chapter 666. Mark of the Beast. Who better to guard the beast than those marked by it? Then there are 44 purifiers. Divided by 4, the division of the other chaos gods, is 11. Malal’s favored number. Malal’s colors are Black and White. What happens when the two are mixed? You get Grey.
The unsleeping Abblach may in fact be a greater daemon of Malal, and paladins are required to experience it in preparation for the worst.
Also, Abblach and the other captured daemons might not just be prisoners. What better cell is there for a God of Anarchy and destruction than one whose wall is made up of chained unending life?
If this theory is true, there is one problem with the Emperor’s plan and the reason for a prison. At the very end of the day there would always be at least one person who truly knew Malal existed. The Emperor.
This is where Cypher and his super pig sticker comes in. “The Voice of the Emperor” is what he wants, he wants the Emperor to speak Malal’s name to legitimize his existence. Cypher and few supporters may think he exists but none of them have ever met him. The Emperor’s godly verbal validation, might be the tipping point for Malal’s resurfacing.
The sword Cypher carries is a re-forged Lion Sword. One crafted to force truth, a Sword of Truth in matching the naming convention of the other Dark Angel swords. A weapon Guilliman doesn’t want anywhere near the Emperor, because it might be powerful enough to be a threat to the Emperor.
And this also where the true reason for the Terminus Decree comes in. Horus weakened the Corpse Emperor to such an extent, his will is no longer a match for Malal. He knew that being barely conscious (Freddy Kruger be-gone drugs) would be the only way to keep Malal in check. The Decree is his off switch, he just wanted to put it off for as long as possible.
He’s a quasi-functioning light house of sorts for space navigation. The throne failing is a planned attempt to ween mankind off of himself, hoping that Mankind will learn to rise without him.
The Emperor can’t wake, because he may very well be the last person who truly knows Malice is lurking under the very surface of the Man.
The true Most Powerful Daemon God?
Also it is my firm belief that the Emperor may have also conspired with the only force more powerful than himself to help do this.